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« on: March 07, 2010, 08:34:17 PM »

Tell me I haven't gone completely senile because I'm sure there was a thread about these real-life hobbit ancestors but I can't find it anywhere.

Hunched over a picnic table in a limestone cave, the Indonesian researcher gingerly fingers the bones of a giant rat for clues to the origins of a tiny human.

This world turned upside down may once have existed here, on the remote island of Flores, where an international team is trying to shed light on the fossilized 18,000-year-old skeleton of a dwarf cavewoman whose discovery in 2003 was an international sensation.

Her scientific name is Homo floresiensis, her nickname is "the hobbit," and the hunt is on to prove that she and the dozen other hobbits since discovered are not a quirk of nature, but members of a distinct hominid species.

"They butchered the animals here," said the researcher, Rokus Due Awe, studying the toothpick-size rat bones possibly left over from hobbit meals.

The discovery of Homo floresiensis shocked and divided scientists. Here apparently was a band of distant relatives that exhibited features not seen for millions of years but were living at the same time as much more modern humans.

Almost overnight, the find threatened to change our understanding of human evolution.

It would mean contemplating the possibility that not all the answers to human evolution lie in Africa, and that our development was more complex than previously thought.

Critics, however, dismissed the hobbit's discovery as nothing extraordinary. They continue to argue that the hobbit, just 3 feet tall with a brain the size of a baby's, was nothing more than a deformed human.

The feud has played out in top scientific journals. But a growing consensus has emerged among experts on human origin that this is indeed a separate and primitive species that lived in relatively modern times -- 17,000 to 100,000 years ago.

The November issue of the highly respected Journal of Human Evolution was dedicated to the Flores findings and included a dozen studies supporting the hobbit as a new species.

The mounting evidence has prompted Australian archaeologist Mike Morwood and his team to expand their research to the Soa Basin on Flores and the nearby Indonesian island of Sulawesi.

Africa is central to any narrative about human evolution because it is believed that Homo erectus was the first hominid to leave the continent 1.8 million years ago, and most hominid fossils have been found there.

But the discovery of the hobbit, with its primitive traits, suggests that important stages in hominid evolution may have occurred in Asia, said Morwood, the coordinator of the hobbit dig. For example, he said, it may turn out that Homo erectus evolved in Asia.

Stringer believes the hobbit's ancestors could have been a forerunner of Homo erectus. If that's true, he said it would upend the belief that erectus was the first of our ancestors to make it out of Africa and eventually migrate to China and the Indonesian island of Java.

Instead, something more primitive may have left Africa, evolved into erectus and then returned to the continent.

Still, no one who supports the new-species theory suggests the hobbit is a direct ancestor of modern humans. Rather, they believe it represents a previously unknown branch of a premodern, hominid lineage.


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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 01:31:52 AM »

If I didn't remember the thread, I could say you'd gone senile but I do, so I can't, shucks Smiley

The article does say discovered in 2003, a lot earlier than I thought they had found them. Gosh, time flies!
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 03:25:18 PM »

It must have passed into the West.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 08:14:10 PM »

no no i do remember a thread like that i do but no idea where it's gone
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 01:40:06 PM »

I remember a thread like that, but if it was in 2003, it might've been on bb.net or cheese's board.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 05:48:34 PM »

I'd say it was in the last 2 years and it was definitely here since I started the thread.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 02:42:39 AM »

Hobbits are very sneaky, they even hide threads about them Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 07:07:07 PM »

Drat those hobbitssess spring cleanings!
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